{"id":2915,"date":"2016-12-09T21:12:30","date_gmt":"2016-12-09T21:12:30","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.bcpdt.org.uk\/news\/?p=2915"},"modified":"2023-05-31T18:48:22","modified_gmt":"2023-05-31T17:48:22","slug":"riz-ahmed-vocal-living-scary-times","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.bcpdt.org.uk\/news\/2016\/12\/09\/riz-ahmed-vocal-living-scary-times\/","title":{"rendered":"Riz Ahmed: \u2018We have to be vocal. We\u2019re living in scary times\u2019"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em>He was pulled aside at Luton airport and says he was illegally detained, questioned and threatened.<br \/>\n<\/em><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p><!-- GUARDIAN WATERMARK --><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/culture\/2016\/dec\/04\/riz-ahmed-actor-interview-star-wars-rogue-one-outspoken-scary-times\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright\" src=\"http:\/\/image.guardian.co.uk\/sys-images\/Guardian\/Pix\/pictures\/2010\/03\/01\/poweredbyguardian.png\" alt=\"Powered by Guardian.co.uk\" width=\"140\" height=\"45\" \/>This article titled &#8220;Riz Ahmed: \u2018We have to be vocal. We\u2019re living in scary times\u2019&#8221; was written by Carole Cadwalladr, for The Observer on Sunday 4th December 2016 14.00 UTC<\/a><\/p>\n<p>One thing about <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/culture\/2016\/jul\/07\/riz-ahmed-the-night-of-rogue-one-star-wars\">Riz Ahmed<\/a>: he is not boring. We\u2019re in a central London hotel room as part of the massive media blitz for <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/film\/rogue-one-a-star-wars-story\"><em>Rogue One<\/em><\/a>, the latest multimillion dollar incarnation of the <em>Star Wars<\/em> franchise. And maybe one day he\u2019ll become boring, or learn how to be boring, but even though we\u2019re at the very heart of the Hollywood publicity machine, surrounded by soft furnishings in all shades of beige, Ahmed is not boring. In the decade since Michael Winterbottom cast him in his first film, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/film\/2006\/feb\/26\/features.review\"><em>The Road to Guantanamo<\/em><\/a>, he\u2019s built up a critically acclaimed body of work, including his breakout performance in Chris Morris\u2019s jihadist satire <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/film\/2010\/may\/06\/four-lions-review\"><em>Four Lions<\/em><\/a>. In addition, he has a sideline as a musician, and has just brought out a hip-hop album as one of the Swet Shop Boys called <a href=\"https:\/\/swetshopboys.bandcamp.com\/album\/cashmere\"><em>Cashmere<\/em><\/a>. Sample lyric, from a track called \u201cT5\u201d: \u201cTrump want my exit, but if he press a red button\/ To watch Netflix, bruv, I\u2019m on\u2026 Oh no, we\u2019re in trouble\/TSA always wanna burst my bubble\/Always get a random check when I rock the stubble.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He has always been someone with something to say. Earlier this year he appeared in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/film\/jason-bourne\"><em>Jason Bourne<\/em><\/a>, but in many ways <em>Rogue One <\/em>marks the apotheosis from plucky indie actor to mainstream Hollywood player. But it hasn\u2019t shut him up. If anything, it\u2019s done the opposite, and now he\u2019s getting the chance to say it on the back of a Disney blockbuster playing an imperial cargo pilot in the <em>Star Wars<\/em> prequel. In an essay for <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/books\/2016\/oct\/02\/the-good-immigrant-edited-nikesh-shukla-essays-race-colour-society-riz-ahmed-kieran-yates-selena-bim\"><em>The Good Immigrant<\/em><\/a>, a book of essays about race and immigration in the UK, he wrote about his experience of being racially profiled in airports. And how he came to realise that his experience of being interrogated was not unlike his experience of being auditioned \u2013 \u201cwhere the length of your facial hair can be a deal breaker\u201d.<\/p>\n<figure class=\"element element-embed\" data-alt=\"Rogue One: A Star Wars Story \u2013 video trailer\">   <\/figure>\n<p>He defined the career stages of any minority actor: \u201cStage one is the two-dimensional stereotype \u2013 the minicab driver\/terrorist\/cornershop owner.\u201d Stage two challenges the stereotype. And stage three \u201cis the promised land, where you play a character whose story is not intrinsically linked to their race. There I am not a terror suspect, nor a victim of forced marriage. There, my name might even be Dave.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>His name in <em>Rogue One <\/em>isn\u2019t Dave, it\u2019s Bodhi Rook. But still. Is this the promised land?<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI don\u2019t know. I\u2019ve got an action figure. I didn\u2019t realise that there\u2019s a holy grail\u2026\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Beyond the promised land?<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe action figure is like an extra level you didn\u2019t know was there. It\u2019s like the power-up in Mario. It\u2019s just weird, isn\u2019t it? It\u2019s a miniature figurine of you. I mean it\u2019s not you. It\u2019s about the character and the film. But\u2026 it is you.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/film\/gareth-edwards\">Gareth Edwards<\/a>, the director, another Brit, asked him to audition for the film. \u201cAnd he made <em>Monsters<\/em>, which I loved, so I just put myself on tape. And I can be quite obsessive. I just kept sending him tapes of the scene that he sent me. I think I sent him like 11 or 12 different tapes.\u201d<\/p>\n<figure class=\"element element-image\" data-media-id=\"b59ed9aa1d29d0f8f3bb8793b83984b42e643c3d\"> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/media.guim.co.uk\/b59ed9aa1d29d0f8f3bb8793b83984b42e643c3d\/30_124_1192_715\/1000.jpg\" alt=\"Ahmed in Four Lions.\" width=\"1000\" height=\"600\" class=\"gu-image\" \/><figcaption> <span class=\"element-image__caption\">\u2018I\u2019ve done classic films and people ask: What\u2019s it like being a Muslim? That\u2019s offensive\u2019: Ahmed in Four Lions.<\/span> <span class=\"element-image__credit\">Photograph: Everett Collection\/Rex<\/span> <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Did you really want the job?<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWho wouldn\u2019t want to be in <em>Star Wars<\/em>? I kept on obsessively sending him more tapes. And eventually he emailed back and said: \u2018Hey Riz, thanks for the tapes. I think that\u2019s enough now. And, I was like: \u2018Oh, I\u2019ve definitely screwed it up.\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n<p>In <em>The Good Immigrant <\/em>essay, he wrote how, \u201cYou are intermittently handed a necklace of labels to hang around your neck.\u201d Becoming an actor was a way \u201cto stretch these necklaces\u2026 to breathe a little easier.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>So are you breathing more easily now?<\/p>\n<aside class=\"element element-pullquote element--supporting\">\n<blockquote>\n<p>Chris Morris said, \u2018I\u2019d say this is a step towards a brown James Bond\u2019<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/aside>\n<p>\u201cI mean my day-to-day reality is as contradictory as ever. Every time I get on the plane, I get searched. The last time I came back from LA, I got fully searched and all of that. That\u2019s as usual. Then the second search. But this time, I got on the plane and I picked up the inflight magazine. And I was on the cover. I was already on the plane.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s not a coincidence that so many tracks from his album, <em>Cashmere<\/em>, are to do with airports and travel \u2013 as well as \u201cT5\u201d, there\u2019s also \u201cNo Fly List\u201d and \u201cShoes Off\u201d \u2013 because as a British-born Pakistani, it\u2019s at airports that the \u201cnecklace of identities\u201d pinches most. The first time it happened, in 2006, he was on the way back from the Berlin film festival where he\u2019d been to promote <em>The Road to Guantanamo<\/em>, the filming of which had involved \u201can Axis of Evil world tour\u201d shooting in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran with the passport stamps to match. He was pulled aside at Luton airport and says he was illegally detained, questioned and threatened.<\/p>\n<p>It was an experience that shook him. And though I meet him before the American election, it\u2019s hard not to think that his experiences are a precursor to even more terrible things to come. That he is the canary in the coal mine. That the racial profiling he\u2019s experienced will spread in ever more insidious ways. For Ahmed, at least, it had a creative upshot. He went on to write a song inspired by it called \u201cPost 9\/11 Blues\u201d (\u201cWe\u2019re all suspects so literally, be watching your back\/ I farted and got arrested for a chemical attack.\u201d) And it was this that caught the eye of Chris Morris. They met and talked and continued talking while Morris wrote <em>Four Lions<\/em>. He wanted Ahmed to play Omar, the family man turned wannabe suicide bomber, but Ahmed turned it down. He didn\u2019t want to be trapped by the label.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI was doing other parts by that time. I\u2019d just done a film called <em>Shifty<\/em> that had nothing to do with this kind of stuff. I wanted to build on that. But then Chris, said: \u2018Look\u2026 if you\u2019re asking me if this is a step away from or towards a brown James Bond, I think it\u2019s towards.\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n<figure class=\"element element-image\" data-media-id=\"6caed5788f15beb64906c49671bdaa392d980c13\"> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/media.guim.co.uk\/6caed5788f15beb64906c49671bdaa392d980c13\/0_0_6850_6541\/1000.jpg\" alt=\"Wrapped up: Riz Ahmed wearing wool coat by Lanvin.\" width=\"1000\" height=\"955\" class=\"gu-image\" \/><figcaption> <span class=\"element-image__caption\">Wrapped up: Riz Ahmed wearing wool coat by Lanvin.<\/span> <span class=\"element-image__credit\">Photograph: Kevin Mackintosh\/The Observer<\/span> <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>He did the film. It was his breakthrough role. His stage two role that led from there to where he is today. But there\u2019s always a tension in discussing these issues. I ask him about the last time he gave an interview to the<em> Observer<\/em>, back in 2007, when he said his religion was a private matter and that he didn\u2019t want to be seen as a Muslim actor.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI guess I started basically giving less of a fuck and saying what I think more. Probably that comes with just being a bit older. If you\u2019re, like, a young, white actor, who comes out and does a good role, then it\u2019s like, \u2018You\u2019re a great actor!\u2019 And the interview is like, \u2018Oh, wow you can act. Wow, tell me about that? When did you want to start acting?\u2019<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI\u2019ve done three or four solid films now that became cult classics. And everyone\u2019s like, \u2018What\u2019s it like being a Muslim?\u2019 That\u2019s offensive. Really, that\u2019s what it is, offensive. What you\u2019re saying is that you cannot see me as creative or an artist or a human being first.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI\u2019m so happy to talk about all these things. I think it\u2019s really important that we do. I don\u2019t think it\u2019s enough to be visible anymore. I think we have to be vocal about what we believe in. We\u2019re living in scary times. But I think if those conversations really start detracting from, \u2018Oh by the way, someone is skilled at their craft,\u2019 I think that\u2019s a step backwards. You know what I mean?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He looks at me. And then says: \u201cThat\u2019s like a massive cue for you to balance out what you write up and where your focus lies in this interview.\u201d<\/p>\n<figure class=\"element element-image\" data-media-id=\"aa16fea738234be462ed8e349ac54c318f42abe7\"> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/media.guim.co.uk\/aa16fea738234be462ed8e349ac54c318f42abe7\/0_130_3900_2340\/1000.jpg\" alt=\"\u2018This is what British looks like\u2019: Ahmed in The Night Of.\" width=\"1000\" height=\"600\" class=\"gu-image\" \/><figcaption> <span class=\"element-image__caption\">\u2018This is what British looks like\u2019: Ahmed in The Night Of.<\/span> <span class=\"element-image__credit\">Photograph: HBO<\/span> <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>This is my pre-warning, is it? My briefing note?<\/p>\n<p>\u201cYeah. My next freestyle is a rant against you. Exactly.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>None of this is said entirely antagonistically. But there is an edge to it. There is an edge to Ahmed. His parents were Pakistani immigrants living in the very ordinary London suburb of Wembley, from where he won a scholarship to a private school, Merchant Taylors\u2019 in Hertfordshire, from where he went to Oxford to read PPE. He\u2019s always moved between worlds, between languages and registers and accents.<\/p>\n<p>Earlier this year, he appeared in a gripping HBO drama, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/tv-and-radio\/2016\/sep\/01\/the-night-of-riz-ahmed-hbo-murder-drama\"><em>The Night Of<\/em><\/a>, in the lead role of Nasir Khan, a college student wrongly accused of murder \u2013 a crime that unleashes a simmering undercurrent of racism and Islamophobia. It was the hit of the summer and led to an appearance on <em>The Late Show<\/em>. \u201cThis is what British looks like,\u201d he told Stephen Colbert. \u201cIt looks like me. It looks like Idris Elba. And hopefully through Nasir Khan, America can see it\u2019s what Americans look like, too.\u201d<\/p>\n<aside class=\"element element-pullquote element--supporting\">\n<blockquote>\n<p>The only black girl I knew at Oxford said: \u2018I\u00a0hope you\u2019re going to be an actor.\u2019 Nobody else said that to me<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/aside>\n<p>I watch it on <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=Arfpvkafpag\">YouTube<\/a> and see the surprise register on his face as the audience bursts into applause. It\u2019s entirely understandable that Ahmed doesn\u2019t want the label of \u201cMuslim actor\u201d. And part of the reason <em>The Night Of<\/em> was such a hit was because of his bound-to-be-award-winning performance, but he\u2019s right. It is scary times. And having someone like him, speaking and standing up, feels\u2026 well, like a relief more than anything.<\/p>\n<p>And, America, for all these issues, has been his land of opportunity. It\u2019s where pretty much all his work since <em>Four Lions <\/em>has come from. A result, he says, partly, of the stories we choose to tell in Britain. Our obsession with period drama, for a start.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWhat are we saying about whose experience is valued? Whose voice should be heard? There\u2019s an erasure that takes place. So when people say, \u2018You do political films,\u2019 or, \u2018You do political rap,\u2019 I\u2019m like, \u2018All art is political because what you decide to focus on is a choice.\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He got into drama school, he tells me, by the greatest fluke. Though he acted at Oxford, it hadn\u2019t occurred to him to apply. \u201cI had a friend, the only black British girl that I knew in my year throughout the whole of Oxford. She just emailed me and said, \u2018I saw you in a play recently and I hope you\u2019re going to be pursuing acting as a career.\u2019 Nobody else said that to me. And when you look at the screen, it\u2019s like, \u2018Dude, there\u2019s nothing there for you.\u2019 That\u2019s a message you\u2019re internalising every time you look at the TV screen, every time you open up a magazine. That you\u2019re not reflected in this culture. That you don\u2019t belong. I thought drama school was a stupid idea. But then I thought, \u2018Screw it. Let me apply to just one.\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n<figure class=\"element element-image\" data-media-id=\"e9e0a65b601c5f5d11b6992a7a11b118fc5bf390\"> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/media.guim.co.uk\/e9e0a65b601c5f5d11b6992a7a11b118fc5bf390\/0_0_6483_8832\/734.jpg\" alt=\"Rocket man: Riz Ahmed wears roll neck by Pringle of Scotland; trousers by Dior Homme; and fedora by Lock &amp; Co Hatters (Mr Porter).\" width=\"734\" height=\"1000\" class=\"gu-image\" \/><figcaption> <span class=\"element-image__caption\">Rocket man: Riz Ahmed wears roll neck by Pringle of Scotland; trousers by Dior Homme; and fedora by Lock &amp; Co Hatters (Mr Porter).<\/span> <span class=\"element-image__credit\">Photograph: Kevin Mackintosh\/The Observer<\/span> <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>One? Nobody gets into drama school like that, I say. He shrugs. \u201cJust think about all the other amazing talent we\u2019re missing out on. All the other people who don\u2019t apply. To drama school. Or the<em> Guardian<\/em>. Or the Labour Party. Or whatever.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He still couldn\u2019t afford it and then, by another massive fluke, a theatre producer \u2013 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/stage\/2014\/aug\/22\/thelma-holt-theatre-producer-interview\">Thelma Holt<\/a> \u2013 saw him in a play and found him the money. \u201cShe literally just said, \u2018I\u2019m going to get you the money.\u2019 And I got a cheque in the post. I was two grand short and I got a check for two grand. Who the fuck does that happen for? No one. That is such luck. And I\u2019m only open to that level of help because I\u2019m at Oxford. I\u2019m only there because I went to Merchant Taylors\u2019. I only applied because of one girl. I really shouldn\u2019t be here. It\u2019s crazy. And this\u2026 it\u2019s not a tragedy for working-class actors or Asian actors or black actors. It\u2019s a tragedy about what we are communicating as a society.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He pauses for a moment. The publicist in the corner looks up, expectantly.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cDon\u2019t you want to ask more about the film?\u201d she says. No need. I\u2019m sure he\u2019ll be a great Bodhi Rook, but there\u2019s so much more to Riz Ahmed than <em>Star Wars<\/em>. May the force be with him.<\/p>\n<p>Rogue One: A Star Wars Story <em>is released on 15 December<\/em><\/p>\n<p>guardian.co.uk &#169; Guardian News &amp; Media Limited 2010<\/p>\n<p>Published via the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.guardian.co.uk\/open-platform\/news-feed-wordpress-plugin\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Guardian plugin page\" rel=\"noopener\">Guardian News Feed<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/wordpress.org\/extend\/plugins\/the-guardian-news-feed\/\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Wordress plugin page\" rel=\"noopener\">plugin<\/a> for WordPress.<\/p>\n<p><!-- END GUARDIAN WATERMARK --><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>He\u2019s the outspoken British Star Wars actor who still gets interrogated at airports. 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